Okay, I got these bits specifically for use as a drill saw. I've used this type of bit many times, but I just didn't have one. These guys are absolutely useless. In fact, I got the best results with the standard nozzle. They don't even drill smooth. So sick of buying tools that don't even come close to doing what they promise. Don't waste money. Yes, I have tried several speeds. Slow or fast, they don't do their job! BUT! These guys did everything right for me and I really appreciate that!