I usually wear a size 34 pants but my thighs are muscular. A size 34 was very tight on my legs over jogging pants, even with the thigh vent fully open, so I switched to a size 36. Size 36 is also tight on thigh even with thigh vent open but smaller than 34 plus I tried them over jeans. I think I'll live with that and see if they loosen up with wear but if I were to order again I might go two sizes up just for my hips. The length is ok if not a bit long but I'm 6ft 2in. The leather seems very good and the product seems well made so I think they are good value for money (haven't ridden them yet). For those considering buying, don't worry too much about the waist as the belt and ties at the back make them very adjustable - the real issue for most will be hip fit and length
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