I've ordered this pair in 18 firsts and they were huge! They were twice as big as they should be. Sent them back and downsized, got a pair that was too small. They looked like I ordered two completely different styles of pants. So I go to return the second pair but since this particular pair came from overseas they said it would cost me almost as much as I would have paid just for the return postage, no return postage up front like the first one! I'm not sure if these are actually different pants, from completely different places, just listed in the same one or another, but still it's too difficult to get the right size. Just call it a loss and look elsewhere I guess.
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