Well I only recently started to finish my artwork when I started painting in watercolor and goche. I wasn't sure what tip size I needed and I didn't want to spend money on something I didn't know about. But even with my limited knowledge I know they are not waterproof at all. When I used them to draw with colored pencils they were good and didn't seem to smudge while working. But when I used watercolor pencils or from the tube, they smeared and smeared all over. I would buy these thin liners again but for dry environments.
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