An ambiguous product, the switches are a bomb, but not ideal, stubs, as I'm lucky, I understand, but better than most mass market keyboards. It seems to me that you can’t find anything better for 10k, only hyper elite 2 with a discount of 4 thousand and that’s unlikely, it’s bulky and there is a lot of plastic and I don’t know about switches, they seem to be gaterons there, and these are better and the stubs are worse there like. If you want something better, then collect custom in three-way. CT with their marriage, etc. go through the forest, as well as small-format claves for pseudo-geeks