In 5.11 TacLite Pros (still my #1 choice) I wear 36" x 32" around town. 207 lbs, very fit/athletic). However, these trousers proved to be unusable even in size XXL ("38-40β) and had to be returned. They sit low on the hips and are shortened at the crotch. Standing there alone, the XXL made me slightly nauseous within a minute. Height (from waist to crotch) is 10" in XXL for these pants but 12" for 36x32" TacLite Pros. Height is 14" for a pair of 38x32" Propper pants. Caliber or They are also quite heavy.Weigh 2.6 kilos.Shinbones scratch when walking although overall length is ok.Worst pants I have seen in a long time.
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