I hate to give 5 starts, but they are worth the money…don’t cheap out. Being an active Boy Scout leader for the past 15 years, I’ve purchased similar pants and shorts from Propper that did not hold up as nicely as 511 does. I did a side-by-side comparison to a 3 year old 511 pants when I received the new 511 shorts, and there is little difference after 50+ washings. They are semi water repellant that result in less stains, so go easy on harsh washing and let them hang dry to reduce fading. These shorts are loose-fitting, so you may want to order a size smaller if you are slim. If you like beer al lot, you may want the extra room and but your usual size.
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