I'm new to knitting (crochet transitions) and find these short ends on easiest to work with are needles, which I've tried (which is pretty much everything, including the "Knok") The set could have been improved by using a longer cable instead of two 11" cables (no tips) I put the cap on a short cord because I wanted to try the tips and after the first two rounds it worked fine, then I found I could swap the cords with my Deborah Norville kit (nice kit, I just like the short lugs better) so I used the 24 inch cable from this kit (which is actually a 14 inch case) with short tips and it comes in at up to 20 inches, what a hat My only complaint is one of the spit zen starts to loosen after a few rounds ov, this is probably because the yarn twists in one direction when I work in a circle. I just check them regularly and they're fine (I can put some tape on them if that gets too annoying).
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