I ordered XL for my tall 11 year old. old. He is 5 feet 5 inches and 110 pounds. He has a 29 inch waist. Those shorts were too big for him. NO lace as stated in the description! As a result, they were also very large in the waist area. I would say these are men's shorts. Plus, they're well made and look really good (when they fit). In terms of thickness, they're okay. Some might think they are on the vision side but I thought they were ok.
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