About the same for my 12 year old son. He's 5 9 and wears men's shoes 11. The sock fitted perfectly, was comfortable on the foot, but some of the crew on the foot cut off his circulation and he's thin. In addition, they reached almost to the knee. Much too long. Me, his mom, I'm 6-1 and have very long legs and I put them on and they were tight around the calf and yes they were soft at the bottom but they came out 4 inches from my knee. These are socks, not socks. You will be returned. I have already entered my details and tomorrow they go to the UPS store. If you don't have 6 foot giant legs, they will be like stockings.
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