These are my favorite Allen Edmond loafers. I have three pairs of these and I really like them. They're casual enough to wear with jeans and formal enough to wear with a suit. I do both all the time and get lots of compliments. Keep in mind that at least I find them most comfortable with relatively thick socks. With thicker toe caps, this shoe embodies comfort. Thin socks are not very good. At least that's how it works for me. RDB.