Okay, first! No all-weather pants, I say winter gear. I was in them, these are 84•F (28•c) boxers for about half an hour just walking around the house and yard. I'd like to say that it doesn't get much cooler than wearing jeans and leather pants: Second, the back zipper designed for zipping into riding jackets is the opposite of all three of my riding jackets. so useless: third, knee pads look bulky when seated: four. High on the knees there are only two ventilation zips. I added an insulating lining between the mess and the fabric of the outer pant that locks in body heat. I will come back after today and check the view after riding to fit in my usual way of carrying (e.g. wallet, phone etc.). The lining and sizing match the chart and my regular pants. Delivery was quick and the packaging was store quality. Adjustable straps work great————————————after three days of use!————Definitely not summer pants. Cold weather makes the trail too hot. Shorts sweaty after taking off, much hotter than jeans and leather pants, as if the pants love them in winter
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