Let me start with the fact that I'm not the average trouser market. I am bottom heavy naturally, and on top of that I lift weights. I always expect to have to buy a size or 2 up to fit my hips, but it's especially annoying when that still doesn't fit my thighs. These just barely fit my thighs. As in, if I am sitting, they are hugging my legs tight, but if I'm standing, they hang appropriately.Also, and this is an industry thing, not just these pants: why do manufacturers think men need high, above the bellybutton rise? I shouldn't have to hike up my pants to move comfortably. I don't wear my pants around my floating ribs, and I don't need the crotch hanging around mid thigh restricting my movement.Long story short, these are probably fine if you're a normie, but if you are *actually* big and tall, they're probably not going to cut it unless you order considerably oversize.
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