10/19/21: Shoes looked good BUT - runs small (narrow). Good (IF) your feet are narrow to average width. It's not good (in my opinion) if you wear "wide" (from XX to XXXX) shoes. I returned these. Sorry I had to do that because they looked really good and seemed well made. Good value for money but NOT suitable for men with wide feet. I would only buy them (in the future) if they were available in sizes 4X to 5X.