Very comfortable socks but too much fabric in the toe area. If you've flattened the excess fabric too much, you'll need to pull your socks higher. But now the heel area is placed in the Achilles tendon area. Then lower your heel where it should be and all is well. Until you put the shoes on which then pulls the heel back up towards the Achilles tendon so you now have extra fabric sticking out on the outside of your shoe. This is a problem with socks designed to fit too many feet of different sizes. If I were a size 11.5 these socks would probably fit perfectly, but I wear a 9 1/2. The size chart shows if your foot is 9 - 11.5 order a size up, which is what I did. I thought I would take a size smaller than 6-8.5 but they will probably be small.
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