I wasn't ready to invest in dedicated climbing shoes so I looked at some shoes. I stumbled across the Nordic Training shoes and thought they were the best. They actually fit well and are stable. There is a small paragraph. So it's good for squats and other quad-oriented movements, but the heel isn't high enough to prevent me from being comfortable enough to do other movements. I recommend them for amateur lifting. They're probably why I wear Nordic Lifting squat shoes when I'm ready for them.