These are nice enough shorts but are they worth $17? meh, probably not. I cant get the same ones at walmart for $10. They do fit good and are true to size, but the tag is just thrown in the bag with them, it's not even attached, which makes it hard for gift giving unless you have a tag gun to attach it yourself. Also, weirdly, mine didn't even come in any kind of packaging. the shipping label was just stuck to the clear plastic ziplock amazon warehouse baggie. so luckily it wasn't damaged and got here okay.I'd say these were 4 star shorts if they weren't so overpriced. but for being about twice as much as they should be when you consider there is no overhead for the seller in online sales, I have to dock another star.