I have size 8 BD Momentum shoes (and they are a bit loose) so I ordered the same size for them. Not even close to the size. The main thing was A LOT. I will go to the store and try them on but I think I might need a size 9.5? At this point I think my toes will fit, but then I think the overall length might be too long. Maybe these shoes aren't for me. My outdoor shoes are about a size 8 so it will be a general guessing game as to which size fits. Of course I didn't climb in them, but they looked great, the quality was good. I will come back and change the estimate once I get the right size. I ordered orange but the color was bright red. However, the red color doesn't match the deep red shown on this page, so maybe the orange is just a bright red? 12/30/2020
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