Don't even bother, they're fun, they fall out and I tried them out before welding. but that's no joke, after one ride they were already very rusty so there's absolutely no point in welding these things because the little welds they used to attach the bent part to that nice thick pipe don't last long if they rust already after june ride a day around town and don't even get wet, they're cheap and you don't care about anything other than durability or loss of performance because they're extremelyβ¦