I wear size 8-8.5 and these are M (they say they are size 7-9 for women). They're pretty big. I feel like they make my legs look so huge like I gained 150 pounds in an instant. They sit very freely on both the foot and the calf. So my foot slips in and part of my calf doesn't like staying on my feet. I would never wear them in a pair of boots you would just ask for a horrible time. I did take them to sleep with me though, because even though the rest of my body is HOT white, I'm sleeping, my feet are very cold for some reason. And they fit my needs perfectly. They really keep my feet nice and warm (no more tucking my toes behind my knees to warm them up). Looseness doesn't really bother me as I only wear them to bed, they stay decent enough not to disturb my sleep. As for the "toe of the shoe" I would give them 1 star. But for a sleeping sock they are quite good. I would have wished they were better suited for that, but I can live with that. I would recommend them for this purpose. I washed them like all other clothes (in cold water and tumble dry) no problem. You are really warm.
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