I mixed it with intermittent fasting. No training and no calorie counting. I lost 15 pounds in about three weeks and my max weight was 181 pounds. I stopped this treatment for a few weeks and am still the same weight. Definitely works, at least in combination with intermittent fasting for me. I also didn't need coffee after taking these pills. They have lots of caffeine but no jitters at all. They just feel energized and they are good at controlling hunger.
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