I use these shoes for training. I prefer the minimal matte shoe feel on DLs and squats. A much more affordable option than shoes "advertised” as platform-less weightlifting shoes. These things fit like a glove! It's usually 12, but I chose 12.5 and I'm so glad I did. They look great and have held up well. The mesh parts allow the shoes to breathe, which hopefully will keep them from developing odors prematurely. I love them and will order again!