I first installed these pads on my 1999 Camry with factory ground (turned) discs. Wow what a great upgrade! Minimal brake dust, zero noise and brakes like a sandbank. I then installed a kit that included slotted perforated rotors on a 2002 Dodge Durango and that too was an amazing improvement on the dimpled EBC rims I replaced. Another case of fantastic braking, no noise and minimal, almost nonexistent, brake dust. Recommend them as an upgrade to your braking system.