For reference, I buy size 9 women's outdoor shoes and ordered both 8.5 and 9. Both fit more roomy though, we are 9. Although I haven't tried them on the wall I felt everything about these shoes was pretty good quality for the price. The inside was even smooth and felt just as smooth as the vape I just tried on at the gym, but maybe not as harsh. (I like stiff shoes.) There was just one very odd thing about these sneakers. It felt like there was a huge gap between my knuckles and the top of my boot, but my fingertips were in the right place. I sent them back.
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