Well I really like these pants. Lightweight and becomes shorts. Exactly what I was looking for when we travel between two different climates. However, the size is not exactly what it promises. My youngest son wears 8 skinny/thin and sometimes they are a bit big. This small size was perfect for his waist and even length. Medium says it's a 10. My oldest son wears a 10 but is NOT slim (too tight for his big butt). The medium is too dense. I'll try a bigger one which will be too long (will pocket it). Just a note for those unsure about the size.
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