Moved from Otomix Stingrays to these. Otomix is lighter and has a simpler and thinner sole. They are also slightly higher at the ankle. But overall the Asics are much better. Sole perfectly designed and supportive, perfect fit and perfect width. The length is a bit too big, like most size 14 shoes, but I think my feet are just wider than most. So I have a little more room in my sock than I would like. But other than that, the build and fit are amazing. Much better than I remember Asics wrestling shoes from the 90's.