I have a large, wide foot with a half size difference, so it's difficult to find shoes online without trying them on. For example, I was at XMass looking for boots and needed seven pairs to get two. Thank you Revain for the free return. So when I order a pair of shoes and they walk and fit like they were made for my feet and wear them for hours straight away, my soul shines. They are true to size, roomy and comfortable with or without socks. The only reason I use 4 for support is because they feel like moccasins/barefoot with high flexibility. So of course you lose something in the support department. Great shoes, I will order more.
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