I own a couple pairs of these pants.This pair I just ordered I did not realize that it was identical to 2 pairs I'd purchased over a year ago. My cautionary note to anyone thinking of buying them is if you are buying them in black (It's the only color I've purchased these particular pants in. I do not know about a problem with any of the other colors.) . These pants are not even almost a true black. Hold them next to all other blacks in your closet. At best these pants are a very dark gray. And the minute you want to pair them with a black top you will have a very tacky-looking ensemble. After you wash and wear them over several months they turn into a very funky gray. Doesn't matter if you wash in cold or warm water, I've tried both ways with 2 different pairs. They also pill very badly after a few washes. After a few months you will relegate them to your dirty work clothes pile (ie clothes you'll only wear around the house while cleaning, yard work etc.) Nothing you'd put on if going in public, unless you just don't care about your appearance. If you don't wear all-black, you'll be ok with these pants, for the first few months or even less. Then the pilling and the color get so bad you'll never wear them for any occasion where you want to look presentable. The fit is perfect, the fabric is soft initially. They shrink a lot, so you must factor that in when you decide on a size. The fabric only says soft for a minute. After the pilling begins the fabric begins to roughen up, and gets rougher with time. The fabric is very substandard for it to respond this way to normal wear. At $8.50 per pair with ebay Prime the price is great for a casual pair of pants. The price and fit (till they shrink) are the only good things I can say about them. I'm jus sayin.
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