Odd size, unusable. Reviews here said too big, order one size down. I couldn't even start putting a shoe on. Reordered for my normal size, the same. Worst of all, the shows might be too long for some style reasons, a good inch or two extra in the sock. Too narrow as M. They look like they are suitable for barefoot water skiing. I don't normally write negative reviews but I would suggest that you either stay away from them or be prepared for them to come back. So odd that they can't simply state or quote actual normal measurements. "Besides, Mrs. Lincoln." No, really, aside from the pointless fit, they seem perfect for what I need them for. It's not a pity.