When these shoes finally arrived I happily mailed them in and put them on. I thought I was getting a good discount of about $50 but to my chagrin these shoes turned out to be a big disappointment. A week later the cheap webbing at the top of the show was already fraying! I've worn them a total of 4 times without running, climbing, jumping etc and they are rubbish. Don't waste your money on those poorly made cheap shoes.