Compared to what these shoes looked like in 1981 when they were made in America, that's minus 10 stars. I had a pair at the time and they were my favorite shoes when traveling around Europe. Get dressed, eat out, hike in it the next morning. My favorite shoe and style of all time. The pair Revain just sent me had the sole of the right shoe protruding 1cm past the front of the shoe. I wish Red Wing would release more traditional shoes. I think I'll just remake a pair of light honey RW 1907s. I almost found the perfect, original, great shoe that these Timberlands used to be.