SO i took his advice and got a pack of them. Also pursuing trades due to his insistence (after retiring of course, too long story for here). It is true what he says, they have a hard tip and withstand punishment. I am using them in welding and they mark iron very well, visible under the hood. Solid paint pen/marker and awesome clip. A Family operation MADE IN THE USA. fuggedaboutit. Do IT. Maybe i’ll throw pics up sometime. If not, get these markers.
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