Full disclosure: I bought these bags as used - like new and used - very good and got them for about half the price. Both came in factory packaging and included literature. One box was slightly damaged. The bags looked like new. Good quality. They don't inspire confidence that they'll stand up to the rigors of everyday use, but for the occasional road trip I think they'll do just fine. As others have pointed out, they make up about 80% of the pannier's capacity, but that's not necessarily a bad thing if you're carrying tools and other things that you don't want to pack in these bags when traveling and plan on leaving them attached directly to your panniers. Also, you can stuff the bags without worrying about how to fit in the panniers. Very happy with the price I paid.
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