I saw them in a shoe store. I usually wear a size 9 but they were too big and a size 8 too small. I found them online at 8.5 and ordered them. They fit perfectly. I was surprised how comfortable they are. One of the most comfortable shoes I've ever had. I don't say this lightly, in my 50+ years I've had a lot of well-fitting shoes. That's great. I will order another pair to have them.