First of all, I didn't quite get the hang of installing these. The panel that reaches the ceiling is very wide. It looks like you'll need to drill rivets around the edges. However, the plate is wider than the stud at the rim, so I don't really know how that would work. In my experience, using a thorn finder is also not really suitable for finding thorns. I usually use a spike finder, try to find the edges and then look for the center. In this case, however, the plate is wider than the bolt. The other jack I have has two bolts that go straight into the post instead of four smaller screws. I return it and buy another product
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