Like I said you get what you pay for these or medium belts not for going out and going to work or what kind of belts I want them both still to be used, I haven't worn it yet to really break a sweat, get them dirty, pull out the harsh word for them, but for everyday use they have been very good straps for me, I actually bought two black and brown ones , i hope this helps you take a measured solution, good luck p-nut
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