I ordered 8 x 5 child size. They work great and I have some room for thick wool socks. They are so warm and easy to put on. He's not two yet and he can take them off and put them on himself. I would like a more minimalist design and optical color combinations. But that's my whiny designer complaint. THESE BOOTS ARE GREAT! We live in Minnesota and I'm sure it will be warm all winter. Kamik was a recommendation from my birth mother's group. I'm glad I went all the way and bought them. I will buy Kamika again if he needs a bigger size.
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