These are actually a little softer/stretchier than I expected. They are lightweight but not too lightweight, you must wear skin-color or white undies, though.color undies will definitely show through, even though the fabric is not opaque. White clothing is just that way. I am using them as karate pants until I lose a few pounds, because my usual gi doesn't fit due to Covid weight. So the stretchy-ness is really important to me! These are comfortable at the waist, elastic doesn't feel binding, and they are loose-fitting from the hips down to the rest of the leg. I am short and these fall above the ankle, a little lower than mid-calf.
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