I don't usually buy Saucony shoes for the warm season because they are a bit loose on my feet but these are my go to for the cold season when I wear them can thicker socks. This is another pair I bought for the cold season, 80% pavement / 20% pavement. I put a hundred kilometers under them - they are quite good, in ordinary socks they are still a little loose for the legs. I look forward to the cold season when they suit me better.