The shoes I received were a total scam. I ordered Allen Edmonds Wooster Street penny loafers. They came in what appeared to be a fake or used Allen Edmonds shoe box. The shoes were of very poor quality, the wrong size and said to have been made in China in an incomprehensible place in the shoes. Allen Edmond shoes are made in the USA, not China, and are usually of high quality. The inside of the shoe isn't even finished yet. It was very disappointing to say the least.