These gloves are very good BUT they run small! I bought the X-Large for a smaller hand than the picture shows and the liner is correct but the liner is not attached to the outer and the liner is much shorter than the outer because you don't get a proper glove to fit and have extra finger material , while your fingers cannot fully penetrate the glove due to the difference in 2 pad sizes. They are thick and warm but they don't fit like that, I think if the pads were attached and the same size on the fingers they would fit much better. I'm disappointed with the way the gloves are made and unfortunately I don't get to use them often due to the poor fit making them uncomfortable.
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