This is my second pair, unfortunately my 'old' pair came completely undone at the seams near the thumb. Technically this can be fixed with firmware, but I decided to buy a new one as I could get it for $30. I deducted a star for this reason and also because my husband also had one and his gloves were navy blue with a black palm but the black palm started discoloring and turning gray very early after purchase which was very disappointing, so it was pretty ugly all year long until the whole palm was gray and the gloves looked good again because they were two tone again. LAUGH OUT LOUD. These are very good gloves, they fit great, they are warm and stylish. This is probably the only Noth Face product I want to buy, so yes they are GOOD!
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