Ordered 8.5M for my son and it was basic and 1/2 too big. I'm 9.5 and the shoes are too big for me. Poorly constructed and overall just a very cheap shoe. We have severe winter weather and thought that mainly synthetic shoes for school would suit him. They look good in the box, but that's the only plus. So we put them back in the box and sent them back. CANVEN's $45 men's leather penny loafers are a much better choice.
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