I have these other styles so I know what I'm buying is a great casual lightweight shoe with shorts or trousers, order a half size smaller than you normally wear. You don't wear them with socks either - at least I wouldn't. They are comfortable for day and night. You don't buy them as casual loafers - they're meant to make an outfit stand out. I have flat feet and arches - while they are "good," they aren't meant for support.