These were good size 11 beading needles, quite strong, good length but the eye barely let the sewing thread pierce! I'm a weaver and have actually worked with a fairly fine silk/cotton blend yarn (about 16/2 if you're familiar with yarn sizes) that could be beaded, but I couldn't even get it on a needle close to it. And to my chagrin, I struggled to even thread the sewing thread to use as an alternative to the beaded section. These needles can only work with the DMC pearl yarn recommended on the package, and that yarn must be very, very good!
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