It's hard to find good grappling shorts that don't go down to your knees and also don't limit your range of motion. I generally wear 5-7" shorts, regardless of activity; with a 6in inseam these are pretty darn close to right on. Fabric is a little thicker than anticipated, but isn't weird or scratchy like some combat shorts can be. Super tough and durable.becoming my go-to no gi shorts.