These shoes are the perfect size and I should probably go up a half size but that's not a big deal. Don't treat them like laces when you buy shoes your size - treat them like not-so-comfortable shoes that stay on your feet. I removed the laces and now it's like pumps or canvas loafers, which Alexis Leroy also sells. They fit great when you're on your feet so start 4/5 otherwise for style and comfort. UPDATE: 5/5, wearing them for a few weeks has loosened them to perfect laces (still for style)β¦