DO NOT BUY THIS SHOE. These are not real Florsheim shoes, they don't even match. I bought my dad's size which he wore all his life and they were too big for him. I brought it back down to a smaller size, they looked like boats on daddy's legs. The second paid came in a tattered box, with wrapping paper separating the shoes inside, and the soles of both shoes looked like they belonged to different shoes. They were clearly refurbished fake Florsheim models. Save money, go to a real store.