My problem is that the tongue is stiff and folds lumpy not smooth. and I thought the flap filed up so it would look all solid, but it doesn't. I have ordered the other pair with the buckles in the back, hopefully in a darker red. I have another pair the shorter ones with zippers and pocket and like them very much but would like them in a darker red. these are very light toward orange. I think it's your pu. goes with some things, but I still need a real xmas red, a bit darker then these. I hope the ones I ordered will be the right color. Then I may return these.
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