These fit loose (the size 32 had an actual waist of 35) - I purchased a larger size just for the loose fit. But the denim (in black) was really rigid, with no stretch. It has been years since a bought a pair of jeans that were this rigid and unforgiving. I move a lot during the day, and I need my jeans to move with me, not be hard and unforgiving like these are. If these jeans were made with something soft like a rayon blend with 2% lycra, I'd totally buy them, but these are going back.
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